"know the rules well so you can break them effectively"

With a life full of adventures, failures and some wins, there is nothing Joel enjoys more than growing ideas and having in-depth conversations with incredible people. Co-founder by day and podcaster by night, Joel Co-Founded Zumbly - a real estate application that helps it's users instantly identify the most financially sound homes for sale. His podcast - License to podcast is long form conversations with guest exploring ideas about: entrepreneurship, tech, religion, psychedelics, adventuring, relationships, and business to name a few. Growing up a Pastors kid that spent his formative years in Vegas, sailing around half the globe, homeschooled, and seeing many different shades of the human experience, Joel has a unique and unorthodox'd  perspective and approach to life and business that he explores with guest on his podcast.